This crap just keeps piling up

LAS VEGAS — A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino hotel before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.

The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
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32 Responses to This crap just keeps piling up

  1. John Deaux says:

    Like so many things, we aren’t never going to hear the truth

  2. NewVegasBadger says:

    There are several things we know with a certainty.
    1. The official story is bull shit. I’d call it a lie, but calling it a lie is too gentle a word. And if you
    believe the POS gun man acted alone; you are a fool.
    2. There were other shooters involved.
    3. The MSM has no interest in finding out what really happened, since it might (read that WILL) run
    contrary to the narrative they have been pushing.
    4. There WILL be another mass shooting, and very likely is already being planned.
    5. The politicians will out calling for new gun laws. What is NOT asked is to what extent are the
    current firearms being enforced? How well is that working out?
    6. The goal is a 100% confiscation of ALL firearms. Total disarming of the public. Yes there are
    those who do hate you and are willing to murder you, if given the chance.

    7. You do NOT have enough ammo (and other related items). And you can not spend too much
    time at the range.

    • Rayvet says:

      Well then call me a fool. What this guy did, BY HIMSELF, really wasn’t a difficult to accomplish task with the tools he had. Anyone that can’t see this is a fool. Or knows nothing about weapons. 12 minutes. That’s all he shot for. It’s all he had to shoot for to accomplish his carnage.

      • Wirecutter says:

        I think he had help getting the shit in but I agree with you as far as him being the only shooter. That bullshit with another one on a lower floor is just that – bullshit and I’ll keep saying that until somebody can show me the busted/shot out windows. Remember, those windows in that hotel are sealed and can’t be opened but everybody ignores that.

        • Winston Smith says:

          The hardest part he had to deal with is lugging/smuggling all that stuff in. Doable tho for sure.

          As to the window, it was reported that he used a tool ‘like EMS’ uses to break out the window. I would assume it was safety glass, but I don’t know. Even if he didn’t have the window tool, how hard is it to shoot out a damn window then clear the glass?

          Gimme 10 minutes (cause i’m a slow typer) + a month to gather the goodies and I can come up with much better than what he apparently had. Remember, Tim McV killed more and damn near got away with it.

          • Wirecutter says:

            I’ve spent a few nights (not many) in casino hotels in Reno and that glass is thick. I wouldn’t be surprised if a 5.56 couldn’t penetrate it.

          • Stosh says:

            “The hardest part he had to deal with is lugging/smuggling all that stuff in.”

            LOL, I live about 6 miles from where it happened. A person walking through a casino with a bunch of bags would never be noticed. They even provide luggage carts to make it easy. He even had three days to amass his arsenal.

            • Wirecutter says:

              That’s what I keep telling people. You can take in 10 suitcases a day and nobody would even notice.

            • crazyeighter says:

              And he could have come through the hotel lobby or side entrances and never be in the casino proper with any baggage.

  3. poorworkingstiff says:

    First, I totally agree that we’ll likely never know what really happened — and some people probably knew what was going down (at least in a vague way) before the shots were fired. Whether they thought the evidence was credible enough to act on it or not is another question.

    The guy fired for like 10 minutes — only 10 minutes — and people are whining about how long it took the cops to show up? Really? The fastest way to get the cops to show up is to call 911 and say “officer down” (a great way to get hauled off to jail or shot). Even then, I doubt that the cops will get there within 10 minutes.

    How long after the initial shots before someone calls 911? Probably 30 seconds (get out the phone, turn it on, hit keypad, fat finger 911 due to adrenalin), add another 60 seconds for the 911 operator to determine (a) this isn’t a crank call, (b) where the caller is calling from, and (c) relay the information to a decision maker to roll to the scene. From the time the call gets through to a cop actually moving towards the scene is going to be at least two minutes.

    How far away from the hotel are the closest cops that can effectively respond? I’m assuming that you don’t want to send in the average beat cop against what appears to be full auto. The cops kind of learned that lesson in North Hollywood.

    How long does it take to get from the entrance of a major Vegas hotel, to the [correct] elevator, and then to the 32nd floor (of course pressing the override button so that you don’t have to stop on the floors in between)? I’m guessing that would be at least 3 to 5 minutes.

    If the cops were actually on the scene (in the correct tower, on the correct floor, in the correct hallway) within 10 minutes of the first shots, that was blazing fast.

    • Exile1981 says:

      The cops entered his room 60 minutes after he stopped shooting. So the response time was 71 minutes.

      • poorworkingstiff says:

        71 minutes for entering the room — how fast to be on scene and know that he’s no longer a threat?

        If it was 71 minutes to know he was no longer a thread then I take it all back.

    • Winston Smith says:

      Correct pws. tho I think you are being generous.

      Call something in to 911 sometime with your scanner on and see how many minute delay that is. I’ve been in the 911 center and its measured in minutes mostly.

      And cops need to approach Tactically unless they want to get shot too. (no, they don’t get paid to get shot, they get paid to clean up the mess). On Scene response surprised me at how fast it was.

      And 100% agree we’ll never know the Truth. This thing has Way too many birazze nuggets already. Smells like Clinton level shit.

      • crazyeighter says:

        And 100% agree we’ll never know the Truth. This thing has Way too many birazze nuggets already. Smells like Clinton level shit.

        Yep. This is the Milennial’s Kennedy Assassination.

    • JeremyR says:

      IIRC it was three minutes from first shots to the first 911 call. Some place I read he blocked the fire exit, and that is what triggered the alarm that resulted in people being up on his floor.
      I would like to know more about how he blocked the exit. From what I understand, it was some kind of plate, and he drilled holes in the frame or wall to secure it. What I am envisioning would have required a person on in the stair well. Maybe that was his helper? and that person never made it back up, or fled when he shot the security guard? We don’t know and may never know.
      The first officers were on the floor in thirteen minutes. That is pretty dang good. Had he still been shooting, they might have acted in a different way and stormed the door then. End result, several dead cops. Not a good thing.
      Some of the audio sounds like two weapons firing, it would be an effort, but a guy could shoot an AR-10 and an AR-15 together.
      The things right now that have my attention are that the security guard was shot at 200 times, and only hit in the leg, a very lucky man. Item two is the tannerite in his vehicle. what I imagine is a scenario where he calls for his vehicle to be brought out front pretending he is in the concert crowd, has them hold it on the other side of the street, then blows it either with the first shots, or in the middle of the panic.
      This liberal clown was bent on destroying as many people as he could. 58 is bad, it would have been lots higher.

  4. ninestreams says:

    well yes, but this is LV, not the boonies. Ask how long does it take either hotel security or the police to show up if the CASINO WAS BEING ROBBED ?

    I don’t know the answer, but given the amount of money (like a large cash bank) — both hotel security and police are heavily armed and on quick response, not to mention all the cameras and people who work being aware of all that goes on. I would bet that they have a standard response time with the police in case of armed robbery — which they have practiced many times, which is probably on the order of 2 minutes. Should be easy to ask a LV security expert who could confirm.

    Do you really believe that the main nerve center didn’t know the moment the first shot went off — either at the guard or down on the crowd ? or did they stand down. or did the first shots not happen from the casino ?

    LV was started by the tribe (watch Bugsy if you don’t have the time to ready about it) and is the most corrupt place in the world. It is not Italians, they are just the hired help. The tribe runs it, and they run our government, and the run most countries in the world, including Putin and Russia(what you are seeing now is inter-tribe warfare). They control Hollywood who tells us it was Italians (other than Bugsy or Reds or a few other movies where they let out the truth which they know you are too dumb to notice). I am sure the police force there is the most corrupt in America, other than maybe JewYork City.

    Lots of questions and no answers yet other than the MSM is lying which they do everyday so that is not nothing new and all controlled by the tribe. Doesn’t matter, until the tribe is overthrown, they will keep pushing communism, a la Animal Farm and 1984, until they control own and control everything as their genetic encoding drives them to do.

    The difference here is they went after the right to scare a few of them to change their view on gun rights, and you can see that in the press where they tried to show that the right was now moving for more gun control. So they didn’t go after the general public, but the right itself and they only a need a few % to switch (out of fear) and they will manage to overthrow the 2nd. Clear as day the strategy.

    Don’t get confused by all the other videos and leads — they are meant to confuse. Just waiting for someone to say aliens out of a UFO did it so they can say crazy conspiracy theorists. they confuse the truth by putting all sorts of videos about shootings here and there and different helpers etc. If you put out enough other possibilities, the truth gets lost. Just look at all the other “theories” about JFK — very few talk about the tribe, including Johnson was a member.

    • Winston Smith says:

      Good point re casino security/response. But that is gonna be geared towards protecting the casino’s money, not the guests on the upper floors.
      Wouldn’t surprise me if the automatic posture that they all take is to collapse on the count room and assume any disturbance is a decoy to get staff away from the money. Fuck the guests, protect the money.

      • crazyeighter says:

        Likewise, the concentration of cameras would be in the countroom to prevent theft, and in the casino to catch cheats, and then in the hotel and parking lots for safety and security.

        Of those, the countroom and casino cameras would likely be the ones monitored realtime.

      • Granny says:

        Indeed This has been a major question of mine from the beginning. Nobody touches Vegas.

    • Mals says:

      Right. Blame the Jews. Always works. (Sarc off)

  5. poorworkingstiff says:

    The security guards aren’t as well armed as you would hope; most of the security guards inside the casino do not appear to have a firearm — and the armed ones are probably focused on the money cage, not the 32nd floor. The weapons the guards do have are no match for full auto.

    Does the security room of the casino watch the *outside* of the 32nd floor as well? Unless you’re implying that they have cameras inside every hotel room (which would be a massive invasion of privacy), the hotel’s central command is not going to figure out that something is going horribly wrong before the concert goers — and given what they are focused on, they might not even realize it until S.W.A.T. shows up.

    This leaves it up to normal people to alert the cops — and my time line for reaction still stands. The cops did an amazing job in getting there as fast as they did. Expecting anything more is unrealistic [and probably a distraction].

    • JeremyR says:

      The cameras are limited to the casino area. there are none on the Hotel floors.

      • DW says:

        I have stayed at hotels that have cameras in the hallways and they weren’t in LV. Just a regular sized city. Next time your in a hotel look up by the smoke detectors, etc. You will find some cameras. My bet is they put them there for a Insurance discount.

        • JeremyR says:

          Only four of the hotels in LV have cameras. It is covered in depth in an article at theconservativetreehouse.com They do not live by the same rules the rest of the world has.
          LV, not the treehouse.

  6. StBernardnot says:

    Hey! Give ’em a break! They gotta’ get all that tacti-cool shit on. There’ll be cameras, ya know?

  7. Max says:

    Let’s start to think – James Murren divests 80% , that’s right 80% of his MGM stock in September . CEO ‘s don’t dump that many shares, in the company they are in charge of ,.. . Soros “PUTS” 1.35 million shares 60 days before tragedy . Is this true ? If so all I can say – I SMELL PRE – PLANNING . Let’s step back and look with fresh eyes. Something is very sus’ here.
    “Cui Bono” – Truthstream media is worth a watch .

    • poorworkingstiff says:

      Actually, it was closer to 30% (excluding his spouse’s shares) or 25.7% (including spouse’s shares).

      If you check the SEC filings, there are three different “buckets” of stock: those directly controlled by Murren, a Grantor Retained Annunity Trust (GRAT), and his spouse.

      He starts August with 969,111 shared directly owned; 0 in the GRAT; and 175,329 owned by his spouse. Total of shares reported 1,144,440.

      By the end of September, directly owned is down to 71,442 but the GRAT has 603,519. His spouse’s total is unchanged. Total shares reported 850,290.

      At the risk of putting in a shameless plug, see https://poorworkingstiff.wordpress.com/2017/10/12/insider-trading-at-mgm/

  8. If I were to visit Vegas (my girlfriend might drag me kicking and screaming there someday), I’m not interested in the size of the silicon tits on your showgirls. Show me the weapons load out or your hotel quick-reaction team and it’s proximity to my room.

    Police response? Don’t make me laugh.

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