Behold a Pale Horse

The American public is being triggered to fear scary black assault rifles, and in the wake of school shootings and mass shootings, many are demanding the revocation of their 2nd Amendment rights. Nearly 30 years ago, though, one of the greatest conspiracy books of all time accurately predicted these exact events, indicating that the public has been programmed, and that the current outrage against firearms is manufactured.

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20 Responses to Behold a Pale Horse

  1. fjord says:

    How did I not ever hear of this conspiracy theory book?

    There’s a lot of info about suggestion, brainwashing and manipulation of weak minded people. Pretty easy to do.

  2. fjord says:

    Never let a good crisis go to waste.
    If there arent enough crises.

    Create them.

  3. Al says:

    The world is a stage and we but actors….

  4. Mike_C says:

    I’ll admit straight off to not having read the linked article in detail (yet), but this kind of shit doesn’t help us. A UFO-ologist who dies in a shootout with law enforcement is NOT who we want to put forward. Period. Dot. Full fucking stop.

    IT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER SAID UFO-OLOGIST WAS RIGHT about anything or even everything. It’s ultimately a Hearts and Minds issue (unless you’re some asshole in his northern fortress of solitude salivating over the prospect of 300 million dead Americans) because we are dealing with our countrymen (even if it feels like about half of them are more alien than many non-Americans I’ve met, worked with and befriended).

    A couple of general principles:

    1. DON’T FREAK OUT THE NORMIES. You don’t want or need as a spokesman someone who comes across as a whackadoodle to the average “I’m not very political” / “I don’t need a gun because the police will protect me” American. These undecided, uninformed people are the ones we need to convince, to bring to our side. They are NOT the enemy, and not to be written off as such. (Unless of course they decide to become gungrabbers.) A person who is articulate, neatly dressed (like a normal person), calm, and capable of laughing at themselves is the sort of person we want and need to put forth.

    2. FOCUS. Being pro gun rights is just that and ONLY that. It doesn’t matter if you’re also anti-abortion, or anti-vaccination, vegan, furry, or whatever. When advocating for gun rights, don’t drag that other stuff in to the argument at hand. Keep the issues separate and compartmentalized. There is no need to alienate potential allies and supporters because of a side topic.

    • nwoldude says:

      Very good!

    • SemperFi, 0321 says:

      so who decides what’s a ‘normal person’?
      It doesn’t exist except in your head.

      • Mike_C says:

        I probably mostly agree with you about this, I just didn’t say it very well. Okay, here’s the longer version, and I’ll distinguish between someone being a more-or-less “official” spokesman (like for NRA or GOA or even some local group), and the private citizen who shows up to something such as a city council meeting (like Mark Robinson, that guy who gave the great speech at the Greensboro, NC city council meeting).

        The “articulate, neatly dressed, calm, …” part was for the former, the “official” guy. IMNSHO, that person should be someone who cleans up well. Basically they should generally be in “professional” clothing, at least as if you’re going to a job interview or something. And the person has to be able to keep his cool, not get baited into stupid irrelevant side arguments, or even worse losing his temper, by hostile people. Yet that person has to be relentless and not give an inch. (I am personally DONE with so-called “reasonable compromise” because there clearly ain’t no such thing — the other side is NOT playing in good faith. Not one fucking inch. Ahem. Anyway…)

        For the private citizen, I think showing up to e.g. a city council meeting in full battle rattle (or God help us, airsoft garb) is counterproductive. That Mark Robinson guy looks like he showed up in his work clothes (company logo polo shirt, if I recall) which is fine. What I object to is people like those two morons who went into the Dallas Chipotle (2014) with their long guns carried in front.* Just try not look like some ninja/tactard wannabe when it’s not called for, is what I was trying to say. I’m not saying don’t wear your Kuhl or 5.11 pants or whatever, I’m saying that there’s not much upside and plenty of downside walking around in full camo with LBE on specifically when you’re doing something “civic” in the public setting.

        In case if anyone is wondering what my hypocrisy factor might be, I’m wearing an oxford shirt, white with thin vertical navy stripes; OD green pants (with cargo pockets, I have to admit); and brown leather Frye shoes here indoors. When I go outside I’ll have on a black (but so old it’s more gray) Arc’teryx “Atom LT” jacket and over that an old brown and loden-green barn coat. So yeah, I sort of look like a hobo, but I’m not going anywhere to advocate for anything right now either.

        *Dallas Chipotle guys: IMNSHO those persons were HURTING and not helping the cause. Being a fat fuck with a boonie hat and ridiculous “basketball shorts”, or a short asshole in mirror sunglasses and a smirk (plus who posts photos of his toddler with either a firearm or drugs — I forget which — on social media) does NOT make the rest of us look good.

        And if anyone argues that “But safety, they couldn’t leave their long guns in the car for fear of theft” that’s NOT the point. If those dumb fucks were worried only about security, they’d have slung their guns to the rear for transport. What they did with their rifles was like a guy walking into a restaurant with pistol in hand, only with muzzle pointed at the ground. A guy walking into a fast food place with his pistol in holster (OC or CC I don’t care which) is just a guy with a gun, no reason for alarm. A guy walking into a Chipotle with a rifle to his front, and his hand on the grip (like Smirking Fuck, and no, I am NOT impressed by his trigger discipline) is a guy deliberately trying to stir up shit.

    • pigpen51 says:

      I have to disagree with you. This nation is in danger of not only losing our gun rights, but many other rights as well. How about our 4th amendment rights? Look no further than taking Trump’s lawyer’ s files. I won’t bother to expound on any more of the things that the political class it trying to do to us, but if all you are counting on to stop it is owning guns, then after you kill a bunch of people, what then?

      If someone predicted the things that are going on back in 91, even if he was a nutjob, take the prediction at face value, and ignore the rest. I would say that it at least deserves a look, before you condemn it all as wrong.

      As to who we want to put forward, I have no problem with the Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, or some of the other places where I think that the government overstepped their authority, being brought to the public’s attention, even if in some cases the people involved were not the choir boys we wished. If the government is willing to wipe out almost a hundred people in Waco, then they would not have a problem with one by one in my town or yours.

      I am a student of history, but also I pay attention to what is going on in the world. This stuff happening is real, and it is not going away. Trump is under attack, by factions on both sides of the aisle. Whether or not you like him, it is not a good thing, because it means that our constitution is also under attack. There are some very bad people who are willing to dissolve the constitution, and start over, with them in power calling the shots, from the front, instead of from behind the scenes. This is the most important decade that we have faced since the second world war as a nation. Possibly since the Civil war, time will tell. But don’t think it is just about guns. That is important, of course. But so are many other things. Just watch, and stay aware.

      • Mike_C says:

        > But don’t think it is just about guns.

        I don’t think that. Again, I probably wasn’t clear, Sorry. It’s not that a person shouldn’t be concerned about and fight against the loss of other rights and freedoms. And you’re absolutely right that the assault on other rights is closely associated with the assault on the Second Amendment. What I was trying to say is that when you’re making a pro-2A argument, there is little upside to alienating potential allies by tying 2A to other issues (say electric cars or organic food, or the goddamn Red Sox for that matter) where it’s not necessary.

        As to nutjobs, in general, a pro-2A guy is my ally. However, if a guy’s argument (and I’m not saying this was Bill Cooper’s argument personally) is, “We need to have guns to protect us from the evil lizardmen who live in a secret base under the Antarctic ice cap and secretly rule the world while disguised as Jesuits” then that guy is NOT helping the cause. It doesn’t mean I can’t learn SOME things from a nutjob, but I sure as hell don’t want to hold that nutjob up as my prophet, role model, or anything, at least not in public.

  5. Rowland says:

    Cooper also has in his book evidence that Eisenhower and Kennedy struck a deal with aliens in North Dakota to live free from alien interference and Kennedy was going to go back on the deal and go public; hence the assassination.

    Cooper also has in that book evidence that the CIA or someone is actively suppressing UFO research through intimidation of the researchers.

    And the secret government that is using school shooting for “gun control”? It’s the illuminati. Having read his book, it’s a jumbled mess of theories backed by related and unrelated evidence. Some of the book is interesting….some is pretty crazy.

    You want evidence of gov interference for gun control? FAST AND FURIOUS. End of story. A sitting Attorney General ordered illegal weapons transfers to precipitate tragedies. No conspiracy theories needed. Proven. Fact.

  6. Westcoastdeplorable says:

    I’ve read it and it’s a great book that every American citizen should read. And Mike C I get your point, however many people who’ve studied the UFO phenom are well-respected people with advanced degrees. The Fedgov’s attempts to “conspiracy theory” everything they don’t want discussed didn’t work on this topic.

    • Mike_C says:

      > many people who’ve studied the UFO phenom are well-respected people with advanced degrees

      I don’t doubt that. (Though as a person with advanced degrees myself [engineering, medicine] who spends his work day surrounded by people with even more advanced degrees, I can assure you that there are plenty of goofballs and idiots who have advanced degrees. And I’m willing to admit that I may BE one of those goofballs.) Okay, that was an attempt at humor, but it’s also true. And I’m not saying ALL the “UFO” stuff is hogwash, by the way, which is why I said:

      “someone who COMES ACROSS as a whackadoodle”.

      I honestly have no idea whether Cooper was a nutjob. I’m saying that for political purposes, someone like that may not be the one we want to hold up as an exemplar. And back to UFOs and “weird phenomena” in general, there’s enough “weird” stuff out there (that I’ve heard from seemingly reasonable people who have no discernible reason to lie) not to mention some weirdness that I’ve experienced myself, that I’m willing to keep a fairly open mind. That said, my argument against most conspiracy theories isn’t that a particular phenomenon isn’t possible, it’s that human sloppiness in general, and government sloppiness in particular, makes a successful, long-term coverup highly unlikely.

  7. rick says:

    There were men who predicted this long before some UFO whack job. Those men were who we know as the Founders. The basis of the prediction was history and the ever present desire of power to centralize.

  8. I read Bill Cooper’s book about 10 years ago. People need to take from it what they wish. Listen to Bill Cooper’s videos on Youtube. Many of the issues discussed including gun control resonate with me. Another voice for freedom and liberty extinguished by big government. He also predicted that an act of terrorism would be committed and blamed on Osama Bin Laden just before 9/11. Shortly after that statement he was shot dead.

  9. Smoker78 says:

    Read this book a long time ago. Interesting to say the least. Also his prediction of 9 11 and subsequent suspicious death months after the attack.

  10. Bacon says:

    “it’s that human sloppiness in general, and government sloppiness in particular, makes a successful, long-term coverup highly unlikely.”

    I think it depends on how you define successful and on how you define long-term. Most coverups eventually come to light but if there are few to no consequences then they probably count as successful anyway.

    The long-term evidence seems pretty clear. Most people today still believe the nonsense that “Lincoln freed the slaves”. We know that the “deep state” was already solidly in place well before FDR. We know that Andrew Jackson fought hard to kill the 2nd Fed in 1833, and yet only 80 years later, our economy was simply handed over to the 3rd Fed in 1913. We know that today’s educational problems can be directly traced back to John Dewey’s socialist efforts over a century ago. Most of these events happened before any of us were born, yet we are stuck with the results of these coverups today.

    Of course I could easily keep going, with the Manhattan Project, Area 51, JFK, etc. The point being that since the majority of Americans still seem to believe much of the bullshit today, I’d say that indicates the government has done a pretty darned effective job of creating successful long-term coverups. Maybe it isn’t so unlikely after all.

    There seems to be plenty of basis for reasonable people to give credence to so-called conspiracy theories. If there wasn’t any truth to them, perhaps those in power might not expend quite so much effort to discredit those who espouse such beliefs.

  11. lineman says:

    You know what, does it matter anymore how many books are written or how many predictions have come true or proven false…All that matters is what are you going to do about it and what changes can you bring about…I have come to the conclusion that most people just want to talk about it and to make sure their opinion is heard on the subject matter and that’s about as far as it goes…Sad That…

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