New CA homes to become even more expensive

California became the first state in the country Wednesday to require new homes to have solar panels on their roofs.

The mandate, which goes into effect in 2020, won unanimous approval of the California Energy Commission, one of whom predicted the “green” lifestyle regulation will go national.

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18 Responses to New CA homes to become even more expensive

  1. Twostrokejunkie says:

    So what happens to the grid 20 years from now when all rhose solar installations start to fail from age, and the capacity goes away? You gonna mandate people fix them too? And a battery compliance credit? Batterys only last five years. How is that storage loss going to impact the grid?

  2. fjord says:

    This is all by design.

    If they continue down this road the only people in CA will be the super rich elites and the very poor peasant class.

  3. First, the roof is a stupid place to put solar panels. Weight, appearance, and in case of fire the Fire Department isn’t going up on your roof.

    I’m gonna guess that this ‘mandate’ is going to include directives making mandatory re-orienting the foundation so the all-important solar panels are at the best angle to the sun. To hell with the views the homeowner wants or the heat coming in the windows in the living space.

    We are going to need a new word to replace ‘homeowner’ since between property taxes, sewer and septic requirements and this that word really doesn’t track anymore.

    Maybe, “unpaid government caretaker”?

    • crazyeighter says:

      Then there’s all those bright shiny reflective roofs shining back into the sky. Aviators gonna love that. (Maybe some counter-directive that prohibits solar panels within a certain distance or on the approach path to an airport, which would make these houses even more de$ireable.)

      Or if electric use DOES decrease, will the electrical companies cry they can’t break even on the reduced volume, and so beg for a rate increase?

      Next step: Require installation on existing homes at ownership transfer.

      Things like this tickle the shit out of me, because I’ve got a liberal d-i-l living in Oakland that’s all for this sort of thing while not trusting Big Government one damn bit.

      • Mike H says:

        1. grid tied solar panels don’t have batteries.
        2. they badly stress the grid when the power is not needed and generate non when it is.
        3. plants will still need to be online to compensate for the unplanned load shedding and sudden loads when clouds pass over.
        this hole thing is bullshit and a waste of time energy and fuel.

  4. Winston Smith says:

    Here’s a free Clue or 2:
    If you have to mandate something, it usually isn’t a good idea.
    If you have to mandate an economic something, its NEVER a good idea.

    • Unclezip says:

      You’re gonna get screwed anyway. With these people, if it’s not sanctioned, it’s prohibited. Period.

  5. H says:

    Lifestyles of the rich and senseless.

  6. Aesop says:

    I’m thinking you guys have this bassackwards.
    They should have been doing this with new homes and businesses here decades ago.
    Now, with current panel prices, it’s financially recockulous not to.
    AZ, NM, and TX should be doing the same thing for new construction.

    (But if y’all would rather burn up oil to replace what you could get from the sun, and send petro-dollars to Islamic states to fund terrorists to come over here and go all ‘splodey, go on ahead.
    Price of oil drops, and you defund raghead jihadis, and Russians, and Venezuelan socialists, and get more cheap gasoline for your SUVs, bass boats, and ATVs. You do the math.)

    It’s also evidently slipped everyone’s mind that having running water and functional shitters installed is “mandatory” too. Or maybe some of you folks catch rainwater in whisky barrels to drink, and shit off the front porch, I dunno.

    Nobody’s telling them to have a full self-contained solar system.
    (But frankly, living in a state that’s got sunshine about 300 days/year most places, you’re an ignorant asshole if you didn’t do that already.)
    But installed panels will cut the strain on the grid, self-power heat and A/C at the times of the day and year it’s most needed, and cut back on pollution from local power plants.
    (They also short-stop solar gain to the attic in the summer in the first place. Double win.)

    It’ll also, it should be noted, cut your own daily power bill. And possibly allow you to sell the excess back to the utility.

    I wouldn’t build so much as a garden shed here without putting a solar panel on the south facing side, and anyone with 40-50 2’x4’ panels and a battery bank back-up could be 100% off-grid, 24/7/365 even in downtown. After being off-grid involuntarily for 11 days straight after the Northridge earthquake, I’ll let anyone ponder why that set-up might not be a bad idea in a state with earthquakes large and small as a regular feature of living here.

    The cost of batteries would probably run little more than the power costs outright, with the added bonus of no rate increase, no dependence on far-away utility princes, no permanent bills, no intrusive busybody “smart” meters, and no electric company jackass nosing around the non-existent meter 12X/yr., and phoning in anything “suspicious” to the local constabulary or building permit officers.

    It’s not jacking up the cost of a house. it’s just transferring the amortized cost into the front end.
    You’re going to pay for the power either way.

    If the higher up-front prices weeds out more riff-raff moving here from Bumfuck,Egypt, that’s just icing on the cake.

    • larryw says:

      Aesop is wise.

      • 1980XLS says:

        “(But if y’all would rather burn up oil to replace what you could get from the sun, and send petro-dollars to Islamic states to fund terrorists to come over here and go all ‘splodey, go on ahead.”


        Are you aware less than 1/2 0f 1% of electricity in the USA is generated using Oil?
        Coal, Nat Gas & Hydro & Nuclear are all domestic., none are sourced by Towelheads outside North America.

    • Bacon says:

      Agree with almost all of what you said, Aesop. But if we’re gonna do such things then do them right, through incentives rather than mandates.

      The most American thing in the world is to refuse to do something that you already want to do, simply because someone is trying to force you.

      • Aesop says:

        No argument there.
        Just get the other 49 states to send us the conservatives back who fled, take back their own liberal idiot retards, and ship the illegal alien 4th-grade dropout Mexicans back to Guadalajara, I’ll get right on that.

        Until then, I’m not going to bitch that the Dumbocrats in Sacto had a good idea, even if they’re doing it wrong.
        I save my scorn for their truly dumbass ideas, of which there are already far too many to keep track.

        The good news is when the state goes bankrupt, The Coming Reckoning is liable to be epic.

  7. Daryl says:

    Will the state allow the homeowner to keep the power they produce or will it have to be put in the grid? Maybe an upcoming law would be that all sunshine that falls on California belongs to the state and cannot be taken for personal use.

    • Aesop says:

      Uh, no.
      That’s the point at which it’s not my house, it’s somebody else’s, and they can bloody well take over the payments and taxes too, and i’ll live there for free, thanksverymuch.

      The first time one such array short circuits, and the state or utility gets the bill for fire damage, or it falls off and hits someone on the head causing a civil suit, would be the end of that clever ploy, assuming it even survived constitutional challenges.

      Oh, and the wiring would “mysteriously” short out, and somehow all the power generated would be shunted to in-home battery banks, and none would make it into the grid, thus obviating the whole scheme.

      As it is, they’ll play hell trying force this on people who build underground/earth-sheltered, esp. where the point of the thing is to not impede the landscape with an ugly box above-ground and despoil the view of the whole community.

      It’s Califrutopia: like on so many things, the 80-IQ morons (that would be all of them) in the legislature will eventually figure out a way to shoot themselves in the ass over this, because the average houseplant is smarter than the absolute pinnacle of legislative intelligence here, at least going back 50 years or so.

      You, the state, can make people put something in, like a low-flush toilet or a septic tank; that does not cede ownership to you at any point.

  8. Bacon says:

    Solar on every roof is a great idea, incentivize it.
    Mandated solar is a terrible idea and a violation.
    Any great idea can be ruined … by mandating it.

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