Words fail me

For the first time in its history, the Marine Corps will integrate female and male platoons during boot camp.

Unlike the other services, the Marine Corps has not fully integrated women and men during recruit training. Instead, at Recruit Depot Parris Island in South Carolina, the first three battalions are all-male, while the fourth battalion is all-female.

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41 Responses to Words fail me

  1. Andrew says:

    Good going, SecDef Mattis. You had one job, to kill everything Okobungo did to the military. And you failed. Good luck, you feckless bastard.

    Am I being too harsh? No. This was what he was supposed to stop. He was supposed to aid in ending endless war, in ending social justice in the military.

    Mattis, you betrayed your Corps. Smedley Butler and my grandfather should rise up out of the grave, rip your damned arms off, and beat you and the rest of the senior Defense leadership to death.

    Fuuuuuuck. You just killed the fucking Corps. Just go ahead and roll them into the friggin Army.


    • James says:

      I was an 0311, three years, nine months and eighteen days. I saw a woman Marine from a distance once that I can remember.

  2. frank says:

    What could possibly go wrong????!!!! HUMMMmmm

  3. Plan_K_Ton says:

    This is an epic mistake by HQMC.

  4. brighteyes says:

    Went though Boot, Parris Island in 68. Wasn’t no place for women. We were young men at our peak of physical strength and health. To lower the curve will get a lot of good young men dead. This is just plain wrong.

  5. Curtis says:

    I got used to seeing the dregs of the Army every time I went to Yongson. The REMFs at 8th Army and it’s local subordinate units were on full display every day. I was TDY to CNFK and found it amusing that anybody thought that some of those would be of any use at all come the war. Once BB Bell took over I suspect it bit his ass as well surrounded as he was by hordes of soldiers who had absolutely no idea what it was to fight and die holding the line and would run screaming if they were ever ordered into the breach.
    Before we went over the first time we got indocced at Ft. Lost in the Wood by the Rolling Wheel of Shame. God that was ugly. A full week lost doing what anybody else could do in 10 minutes was lost while the leadership of the Rolling Wheel worked out the kinks in their system.

  6. Jeffersonian says:

    Already tried and failed in US Army Ranger School. Tom Kratman, an actual Ranger, did a whole series of columns on that. Unfortunately Everyjoe.com seems to be down at the moment, but there’s this:

    • Mike_C says:

      Now-Captains Shaye Haver and Kristen Griest graduated from Ranger School on 21AUG2015 (about 3 months after that linked WM post, as it happens), and SSG Amanda Kelley became the first enlisted woman to receive the Ranger tab in August of last year. So maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean by “failed”.

      Now I don’t have any inside information about the women in question to have any real opinion on how they actually performed, but I’d not be surprised if it was the case that word from high was that some woman (if not necessarily Haver, Griest, or Kelley) was going to pass, come hell or high water. I could write essays about how this sort of thing is highly corrosive to institutional integrity and how it parallels race-based admissions in my world (which is academics), but I’ll hold it in for now.

      Damn, but I miss WeaponsMan, and the WM commentariat. Damn.

      • Mike_C says:

        Ah, I’m doing the following up on my own comment lunatic thing, but here goes. Here’s another WM thread on Rangerettes, with what seems like actual information (see Bubba Moore’s comment — the last one) about how the women were groomed (not in the Rotherham sense) for Ranger school. Actually, pretty much all of the comments are worth reading.

        Here’s the gist from Moore’s comment:

        Haver, one of the females with tabs spent close to 90 days training up on Fort Carson. This train up was for females only, no men. She then spent close to 4 months on Benning either in RTAC or the Ranger Sustainment Course, a course created just for females. […]

        Close to 7 months of training specifically for Ranger school, getting to do nothing but PT, having a nutritionalist help them learn what foods to eat and Hoffnagle taking them out on land nav weekly while recovering from RTAC instead of reporting directly to Ranger school like 99% of all male RTAC graduates have always done is complete bullshit.


  7. Lilyrat says:

    When I joined the army men and women had just started training together. It was difficult for everyone. I was a little girl training with big boys. When the girls couldn’t keep up, the guys were pulled back. No one met their potential.

    • Wirecutter says:

      When I joined back in 1978, my company was one of the last ones at Ft Leonard Wood that wasn’t integrated.

    • RHT447 says:

      I joined the army in ’74 at Ft. Ord. No integration, and most of our drill sergeants were Vietnam vets. Thank God.

    • singlestack says:

      When I was in Air Forcer basic in June 1975 they had their first “coed flights”. The Air Force has been one big fuckup ever since.

      • Larry says:

        When I went through Air Force basic in 1987, they were segregated again.

      • wes says:

        When I was in we didn’t have any co-ed flights but we did end up with a few women on the flight line. The only gal assigned to Red section was spending all her time keeping a seat cushion warm. The CO came to me and personally instructed me to put her to work.

        The next morning I put her and another guy down on the line to hang a fixed pylon on an F111A. Before I left we had the pylon in place, centered and raised. All that was left to do was thread the sleeve into the wing.

        When they got it threaded and snugged up they were supposed to call us and get help torquing the pylon sleeve which consisted of getting about four or five guys on the end of a pipe over the handle of a big assed torque wrench and everyone leaning on it hard.

        It was near end of day shift when someone finally asked where that crew was. She had spent the entire day turning the sleeve the wrong direction to the point the threads were damaged and we had to drop the pylon and replace it with another one.

        I don’t put all the shame on her as the guy that was with her either didn’t know any better or deliberately didn’t tell her she was trying to thread the sleeve the wrong direction but if you’re going to do a job then you ought to know the basics of your AFSC.


  8. Dan says:

    This will fail….. MASSIVLY….and the Marines combat effectiveness will suffer dramatically. And the Pentagon, the media whores and everyone else involved will LIE about it.

    • Ken Powers says:

      It will not fail because they will lower the measurable metrics and declare it an overwhelming success.

  9. StBenardnot says:

    Back in “67, 1967 that is, the “bams” (broad ass Marines) were told that there’s a 100 mi of dick over there, and you’re not getting an inch of it until you graduate.

  10. mrgarabaldi says:

    Hey Kenny;

    When I joined in 1985 at Fort Lost on the woods, my battalion didn't have any females, although one of the other battalion did. I was in Bravo 5-3. I really didn't associate with with females until AIT at Fort Devens.

  11. MikeH says:

    This is the willful destruction of the republic. Feminastys wont be happy until this country is a smoking hole in the ground and what is left of the people are starving and to dumb to live.
    I find it interesting that civilian non vets think this is great.
    Im a Vet of the USCG and US army 11B mountain. Im also a FF/AEMT women are smart enough no debate. however physically and emotionally they lack the chops all stop.
    And you know what there is no way on God’s green earth that I could be a mother and that is what they are built for. so be the best damn mother you can be and the best damn wife and be damn proud of it.

    • Padawan says:

      I’ve never served in any branch of the military. Despite scoring a 95 on my ASVAB nobody would take me because I was “too short.” (I’m barely 4′ 11″ in my bare feet.) As a civilian I think this is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard come from the military, aside from the repealing of “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

      • brighteyes says:

        Sorry that happened to you. I think if a man wants to try no matter what he ought to be given a shot.

      • Shell says:

        Shit. “Brute” Krulak was barely 4 inches taller than you, fought in three wars, made three-star rank, was awarded the Navy Cross, DSM, and Purple Heart, and were it not for political bullshit would have been Marine Corps Commandant.

        Anyone who’s willing and able should be allowed to serve in the military.

  12. 9Booger says:

    What is happening to my beloved Corps?

  13. arc says:

    I predict at least one female will always be squadleader or guide. Units will be mixed at least 50/50 M/F, females will get special treatment from Male drill instructors and if they know whats good for them, will always have a female drill instructor present; just so no one can cry WAHHH HE RAPED ME!

  14. California southpaw. says:

    And the muslims just laugh…

  15. Hardnox says:

    I remain disgusted at what is happening to my beloved Corps via this perceived twat justice.
    Semper Fi brothers.

  16. brighteyes says:

    If they have any brains they will not change one thing. If ya can’t keep up yer out. The law may say they have a right but it’s up to the individual to meet the requirements. I saw men that couldn’t cut it and were discharged.

  17. Alex Lund says:

    Just wait about oh nine months and you will see the bright side of Integration…

    On the other Hand.
    I heard the russians and chinese train real hard. so sorry, but in ten years or so they will win any war.

  18. CC says:

    Booty Camp…

  19. enn ess says:

    WTF, this bullshit PC crap has gone completely off the skids. Fucking christ, we can’t win at fucking tididy winks now with all the assfuck rules of engagement horseshit everywhere. Cause it might hurt their tender “feelings” ….. Suck it up barometer breath cupcake poser dickwad. Time to start the games and get our Country back, including our Corps… Kill our enemies and break all their shit… Start in the district of corruption, wash that scum laden pond and everyone in it right off the face of the earth……
    Females are different for a REASON! Males are different for a REASON! GOD intended it that way for a REASON! …….. Figure it the fuck out…… It ain’t rocket science. All animal life is that way. Humans are NO different.

    • Enn Ess says:

      How in heavens name did this thing ever get accepted into the Green Machine. Shit oh Christ amighty, they must be desperate for fodder, thats all it’s good for. Most likely won’t even make a decent moving target.

  20. Greg says:

    Future 0311 getting stoked and ready for training…;)


    • Enn Ess says:

      U have got to be shitting me. Is this a fucking joke??? Someone please tell me this country has NOT gone this far downhill… It’s no fucking wonder we weren’t allowed to win in the Empire of S E Asia and since, and were still ticking around in the “stans”……. Drop the damn bomb already and get it over with.

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  22. Boba O'Really says:

    Why not drop a couple of young females into a group of 18 – 24 year old testosterone fueled men? What could possibly go wrong?

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