Welcome to Socialized Medicine

A 94-year-old grandmother died after NHS medics sent her home because she was ‘too old’ for an operation on a varicose vein.

Cynthia Butcher, from Aveley in Essex, was referred by her GP to A&E with a note warning a golf-ball size lump on her leg ‘may bleed catastrophically imminently’.

But the great-grandmother was turned away from Basildon Hospital by doctors who said they could not perform the procedure because she was ‘over 70,’ reports The Mirror.

Mrs Butcher was sent back to her sheltered accommodation and called for help when the lump then burst – but paramedics could not get to her because a warden was not on duty at the time.

And then there’s this:

Four healthcare professionals have been arrested over allegations of mistreatment and neglect at Blackpool Victoria Hospital.

Last November, Lancashire Police were asked by Blackpool Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust to investigate alleged incidents in their stroke unit.

One suspected allegation is patients were wrongly administered with prescription-only ‘zombie’ sedation drug Zopiclone, to make them sleepy.

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20 Responses to Welcome to Socialized Medicine

  1. The Jannie says:

    The NHS is the envy of the world, according to those who throw money at it and haven’t the guts to declare that it’s a top-heavy self-serving bureaucracy which has been allowed to forget why it exists.

  2. Mike_C says:

    “too old”

    Yeah, well. It’s not just the British NHS. A Nordic friend of mine, back when she was in cardiology training, had an old man with critical aortic stenosis (REALLY narrowed heart valve) come in to hospital one night in acute distress. Apart from the AS he was actually pretty healthy and would almost certainly have done okay with surgical valve replacement. But the critical AS was so bad he needed to have an IABP (intra-aortic balloon pump) placed to bridge him through the night. But national policy was that he was “too old to qualify for IABP”. Nordic friend tried to get the patient the procedure anyway but was over-ruled by her department chief. Long story short, the patient went into cardiogenic shock and died that night. This was over a decade ago but Nordic Friend still gets worked up talking about it. One of the (many) reasons she’s now working in the US.

    • My mother in the Netherlands was suffering from terminal lymphoma, left undiagnosed for probably a year according to the cardiologist despite being in hospital 3 days a week for dialysis and diabetes treatment.

      She was sent to a nursing home as she needed 24/7 care, was unable to even get out of bed to go to the toilet without assistance after losing a leg to a medical error 12 years earlier.
      Nursing home kicked her out when the chemo failed, stating “there’s nothing more we can do for you here as you’re terminal”. If my parents hadn’t had the money to hire 2 private nurses and rent the needed equipment, she’d have been left to lay in her own filth for however long it would have taken her to die (which ended up being over half a year) because our socialised healthcare system doesn’t think terminal cancer patients deserve to receive nursing care…

  3. Dan says:

    And if the left gets their “Universal Medicare” passed like they so desperately want you will see the same thing happen here…..on a DAILY BASIS.

    • Lineman says:

      And the ones it would hurt the most will want it the worst showing you that brainwashing works…

  4. Judd says:

    The politicos in England call people like us and the above ‘ordinary’, what they really mean is ‘unimportant’, which usually means the working class, ie most of us who get up and go to work to pay our own way in life, not the growing shirking class who are completely different but those poltiticos and elite don’t see that difference from high up in their ivory towers within their bubble.

    The working class have only ever been important at two times, one when they need cannon fodder to fight their poltician caused wars, and two when they need the working class votes to keep power, other than that we are crap on their shoes.
    In both cases months of propaganda Joe Goebbels would have been proud of are fed to get the working class around to the right way of thinking, note, thinking the wrong way can mean big trouble for you in the UK.

    Something didn’t work two and a half years ago when the working class, 17.4 million of whom, us, voted to leave the EU, despite all the scaremongering and threats and lies they could make, but see how that’s working out for us, we’re still in and they’re still trying to reverse the result.

    Democracy is dead in Britain.

    Many years ago they snatched firearms away from the Brits, coincidence?

    Never surrender your weapons America, you may need them again for your very survival one day.

    • Inbred Redneck says:

      There’s a reason that an Englishman said something about Tommy this and Tommy that, but of course he was just an “ordinary” to them, right?

  5. Dai says:

    Death panel

  6. Timbotoo says:

    Not saying the article is wrong, but my aunt who lives alone in deepest Wales has four visits per day, two people each time, to help her. All the social services apparently aren’t the same.

    • Lineman says:

      Anything you put yourself in the care of gov. you are taking a chance…Let me ask you this how many bad experiences for other people would it take to negate the good care for your Grandma…

  7. bogsidebunny says:

    Full term babies “aborted”…..old farts denied basic health care and condemned to death.

    Yet the Limey’s and the Democrat controlled American cities use taxpayer money to establish “safe” heroin injection clinics.

    Sounds like something straight out of Orwell’s 1984 and supervised by Dr. Mengele.

    • Biblicalviolence says:

      Well, we (the US) did let Japan completely off the hook for the 13+/- years their Unit 731 was operational; at the cost of (copies) of all their data….

      • FaCubeItches says:

        Well sure – they were mostly killing the same people that we would be trying to kill a scant 5 years later.

  8. Macumazahn says:

    The British NHS is so awesome that when Mick Jagger needed a heart-valve replacement, he flew to New York for the procedure.

  9. warhorse says:

    people keep saying we have a doctor shortage here in the US. what hospitals should be doing it recruiting good doctors over there that are fed up with the crappy system and actually want to help people, and bring them here.

    • Tom RKBA says:

      There are many international docs working in the USA. The real issue is the USA makes it very difficult for a foreign doctor to become licensed here. My friend’s wife was a doctor practicing for three years in Nepal. She had to take all the basic exams and is going through residency now. This is a five year career hiccup.

  10. Kenny the Scot says:

    Strictly as a matter of logic, one cannot take anecdotal evidence and based only on that, make generalised statements. (See link.) One could just as easily take success stories, such as my own cancer detection and subsequent surgery, or Timbotoo’s story about his grandmother, and make generalisations based on them. I’m still alive – does this mean the NHS is a wonderful, successful organisation? You could take individual stories and go either way. Clearly, there is more to it than that.

    As for the assertion that anytime you put yourself in the care of the gov you are taking a chance .. well the first point to make here is that when you are ill, you don’t go to see your local MP. You go to see a GP, and if it is necessary, you’ll be sent through to a consultant. The second point is that anytime you put yourself in the care of an insurance company … that is supposed to be better? An insurance company? Really? We’ve all had to deal with insurance companies in our lives, and we all know what they can be like.

    There are pros and cons to both systems, as there will be with all man-made systems. As someone else has pointed out on this thread, the working class in this country are treated like beasts in the field, and are only useful when they need to deceive us into fighting wars, and doing slave labour. In this context, it is worth noting that after the second world war, guys like Nye Bevin (who tore into Neville Chamberlain when he made his worthless war guarantee to Poland, btw) helped set up the NHS, so that the working class would actually get health care. As opposed to not get health care.

    So there’s that … there’s also the point that the NHS model maintains the negative liberty of its patients, for they are not presented with a financially crippling bill when they receive treatment. One can walk out of hospital and resume one’s life, as it was. This cannot always be said for the American system. It wasn’t that long ago that the people on this website were bemoaning the fact that their insurance policies would fall short and a serious illness would leave them bankrupt. So there’s that too … Personally I think that a doctor saying ok, I can save your life, but I’m going to take all your money from you and leave you without a pot to piss in, is not necessarily the best way to go. Like I said, there are pros and cons to both systems, but making “hasty generalisations” about either doesn’t work, logically speaking. It’s interesting though, to see how people who have been through each system tend to defend them (because they’re still alive to do so & know how fortunate they are?) – I guess that means both systems must work reasonably well, for some people, most of the time at least.

    As for singers getting treatment in America – the American docs on duty at the time saved Frankie Miller’s life, for sure. So that’s a big thumbs up in anybody’s book!


    • Lineman says:

      Oh there is so much I could say but why bother it wouldn’t change your mind and those that want that here are too stupid to listen to reason either…Sad That…

  11. Tom RKBA says:

    Hold your horses. Yes, it is bad that she died. I am not defending socialism/socialist medicine (it is awful—elderly Romanians expect to die without care. Yes, it is that bad!). Keep in mind that the doctor has to make a decision based upon the case. I bet lots of info about her other problems, besides being 94 years old, were omitted. Mrs. RKBA typically declines elderly patients for a colonoscopy because they would not survive anesthesia. Add in a heart conditionlung problem or cancer and the procedure becomes very high risk. A huge vein like that needs more than just a local; as demonstrated it was deadly. Do you think she would have survived anesthesia to fix the rupture? Let’s keep complications in mind and focus upon the correct issues with state run medicine: taxation, corruption, obviously bad care, and the abuse of power it leads to.

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