The Mountain Meadows Massacre

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19 Responses to The Mountain Meadows Massacre

  1. GP says:

    Mormons can be brutal when believing they’re serving a purpose laid out by “The Elders”.

  2. S. A. Moon says:

    My g-grandfather helped Ann G. Lee in Salt Lake City at the turn of last century. Seems her neighbors didn’t like that she ratted ol’ John and Brigham out about the massacre. In return for saving her life with food and coal, she wrote out her diary and account of life with one of Brigham Young’s most notorious henchmen; how she was married off to John at about 13 to save her family, how she saw many non-Mormons murdered for crossing through Utah and finally escaping from John and his army by crossing the Mexican border. I had the opportunity to read this copy of the diary years ago and it is definitely not a bedtime story. That diary was copyrighted and translated by my great uncle in the 1970’s and is still in my family. Seems Ann liked to spin a yarn or two and made about a dozen copies of her diary – the original being in the vault at BYU library according to historians Polly Aird, Jeff Nichols and Will Bagley. Their book and research on the Massacre and Ann’s life straighten a few of these tales out in “Kingdom in the West – The Mormons and the American Frontier, Volume 13 Playing with Shadows – Voices of Dissent in the Mormon West”. Definitely an academic read but well worth it!

  3. Heathen says:

    Not the first time I’d heard of Mountain Meadows. Had people from NW Arkansas and was told of it by them almost 50 years ago in Ft. Smith.

  4. Gordon says:

    Kinda makes you see those nice looking kids riding their bicycles in a different light.

  5. p kerit says:

    Very few Americans know about the brutal history of the Mormons, Read Riders of the Purple Sage

  6. Bill says:

    Ok fine, Please read ( Massacre at mountain meadows by R.Walker,R.Turley jr. and G.Leonard ) This book covers what was going on in Utah 3 mo. prior to Sept 11 1857. It was wrong in many ways. Most times when visiting the site it is UN-holy ground. Also the wagon trains through this area did not pay the land owners for feed and water,just wandered thru your land and took. It’s not always the LDS church that is wrong it’s how actions and words were taken.Both parties had a beef from rumors of men traveling with the wagons were involved in J.Smith murder.
    Read this book and make your own call.

    • Elmo says:

      I’ve made the call. Nothing justifies the cold-blooded murders of well over 100 men and women, the kidnapping of their infant children and the theft and distribution of their personal property. If this murdering group of religious zealots had given this party a few days they would have been out of their lives forever. End of story.

      • Wirecutter says:

        Agreed. When you take into consideration that land was open range, and the treachery under the guise of a white flag and the killing of innocent women and children, attempting to justify it is just plain ridiculous. And you really have to wonder why would the Mormon Church attempt to keep it a secret if they’d done nothing wrong?

        • Kegeshook says:

          Mormon history is writhe with hardship, brutality, and tragedy. Today, Mormonism is mostly traditional values and tranquility.

          • Wirecutter says:

            Sure, I understand that. I especially admire their stance on prepping and taking care of their own.
            Times change, people change.

          • John says:

            I’d say that today, Mormonism (at least the institutional LDS sect) is mostly about unquestioning obedience and top-down control. “Though shalt not read unaproved sources or hold unapproved scripture study” is particularly problematic. (Disclaimer: I’m no longer LDS, but still believe Joseph)

            As an aside, Brigham was brutal in a lot of ways. The RLDS (who broke off from the LDS when Joseph was killed, partly because Emma (his wife) REALLY didn’t like Brigham) published a book series recently that available for free online called “Joseph fought polygamy” that makes a very good case for Brigham being behind the murder of Joseph.Worth a read, and doubly so if you’re LDS and struggling with your faith. Just because the institution is, well, fallen, is no reason to discard your faith in God.

  7. Wayne says:

    There was a made for T.V. out a few years ago so it’s not as obscure as it used to be. Read a book about Porter Rockwell and the Danites kind of the avenging angels of the LDS. Interesting read.

  8. formwiz says:

    Nifty tongue-in-cheek writeup by Mark Twain in Roughing It.

  9. Curt says:

    Lots of B.S. here. The Fancher party were not as innocent as you spout. The massacre methodology did happen but the reasons are far deeper than you know. I have visited the location of the massacre site many times and consider it holy ground besides being located on a portion of the Old Spanish Trail. I also understand the feelings of the Mormons at this time after being burned out, beaten, raped and murdered during most of their existence in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois. They were driven off their lands, leaving the United States for Mexican territory in the Great Basin so they could worship as they saw fit (ever read the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights).

    It was the Americans that pushed onto Mormon land; even threatening them with Johnston’s Army during the Utah War. This was the backdrop for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The Fancher party opened their big mouths with threats to send the Army to destroy the Mormons when they got to California because the locals refused to provide them with goods. Put yourself in the Mormon people’s shoes before opening your mouth about something you know nothing about.

    The garbage about the Danites and Port Rockwell has been discredited many times. Always inspect the source of your information before citing it. Most the garbage printed is from anti-Mormons or apostates with an axe to grind, making their books automatically suspect.

    As for Zane Grey’s ‘Riders of the Purple Sage’ it is pure, unadulterated crap. It makes a dandy backup for the current TP shortage.

  10. Aaron Yetter says:

    Too bad the civil war got in the way the federal government was getting ready to rub them out for good. Nothing but a Damn cult.

    • toooldandtired says:

      Not a Cult. Sorry. The MMM was a bad thing. Remember the context. Driven out of Navoo. At the end of the frontier. Fear of this happening again. And, as stated above, things were different back then.

      Look at the Raid of Short Creek. The Arizona sheriff raided the little community in 1953? and took 200 children from their parents. Never to return them. The area had been raided several times by authorities. It had such a stigma that it was renamed Hilldale and Colorado City. These were/are the “original” Mormons. They live there to this day. Many people don’t agree with fundamentalist Mormon ideals. But people are free to leave the FLDS church. As people are free to leave the LDS church.

      Now a days? I have Mormons living to the left of me. To the right. Across the street. I am a Gentile. But if they hear I am sick, they bring food. I had a shit-ton of gravel dropped in my front yard. My 78 year old neighbor came over and helped me until the job was done. He really doesn’t know me all that well.

      Not only do they take care of their own, they do take care of their Gentile neighbors. Their Bock Captains see to it.

      I went to the funeral of a newly made friend’s father a couple of months ago. It was at a Meeting House (looks like a church, is a church). The center pews had my friend, his 9 brothers and sisters, their kids, and their grandkids. All hundred of them. Ya. 100. They all looked like me, save a few exotics. Half the church filled with the old man’s children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. Impressive.

      Here, where I live, the Bishops Storehouse has 4 silos. 3 filled with wheat. Enough to feed this community of 80,000 or so for a year. And half the area is Gentile. But that is how they roll.

      If it does hit the fan in my lifetime, I could not think of a better place for me to be.

  11. mobiuswolf says:

    No different than everybody else. Defend what you’ve got, or die.

  12. Don in Oregon says:

    I’ve visited the Massacre site. Most of the bodies were excavated and reburied in 1859 but not all. I climbed a hill overlooking the meadow and there are firing positions made of stacked stone.

    I swear to God the place felt haunted.

  13. WestcoastDeplorable says:

    About all I know about the Mormons is from the musical “The Book of Mormon”. If you haven’t seen it, be sure to go. It’s a hoot! “Scary Mormon Hell”!

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